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There seems to be a lot of controversy over whether water-powered cars can work or not. In case you don't know, the technology is quite simple:

1. Use electrolysis to generate hydrogen and oxygen from water.
2. Feed the mixture of gases into the air suction intake of the internal combustion engine and let it burn as fuel.

Many people have actually converted their cars to run partially on the HHO mixture, but there were people who don't believe their claims. Let's see what they are arguing about:


Against

"Come on people; why are you convinced that water is a fuel?
Repeat after me: Water in not a fuel. There is no chemical potential energy in water. H2O is very happy being H2O and it will take a lot of energy to convince it otherwise.
You cannot burn water. It is already a product of combustion.
In chemical terms, water is a dead battery. You could, if you used energy, "charge" the dead battery by cracking it into H2 and O2, but the laws of thermodynamics dictate that the H2 and O2 will necessarily have LESS energy than what you used to make it. When you use it to power a car, you take another efficiency hit. The water is just a rechargeable battery in this system, and right now it is actually worse, for a lot of reasons, than existing batteries."


For

"As it happened, when this news appeared my husband started the first test run with his "hydrogen on demand" booster cell. No alloy is involved and it uses 10 amps from the car battery to give us a 40% reduction in fossil fuel use. So yes, you still need energy but it costs a hell of a lot less then 40% of a tank of gas. We hope to get it as far as 80% because this is still not a fully maximised cell. We would be over the moon with a 60% though."

"Don't EVER discount ANYTHING without being able to personally attest to your own accuracy 100%. Spouting nonsense like the law of this and that doesn't qualify. These "laws" have a strange way of being broken over time and of course there are TONS of laws that are yet to be discovered. Do you all think we are at the pinnacle of understanding this universe? Please..."

"Water cars do not come out like clockwork everytime fuel prices go up. the "water" car has been around for at least a half a decade. Tens of thousands of people around the world have converted at a price of $200 to $1200. The hydroxy that is produced by splitting water pizeo-electrically (using less electricity than your car's radio) when combusted turns into steam which cleans the car and makes it last longer, makes it more reliable with less repairs AND the exhaust is WATER. Best of all, NO infrastructure is needed. A half a liter of water will last you anywhere from 2 to 3 weeks. So get over it people.The technology is here now, it won't take 10 years the way the media and naysayers keep parroting. The only problem is greed and a lack of will."

"I don't understand all the screaming. It actually takes very little energy to crack the bonds between hydrogen and oxygen (I can do it with a grocery store battery). Given enough energy, such as a battery or even solar energy, you can create a car that runs on water (the only problem is trying to release enough energy to make the process sustainable). Instead of arguing semantics about whether or not the car runs on only water and how this violates the laws of thermodynamics, try to look at the possibilities here."

"If you think that water does not burn, then you'd be absolutely correct. If you think the components of water can burn, then you would be correct as you need heat, oxygen and a fuel for combustion. Basically the water molecule can be separated into two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom. Couple the fuel of hydrogen with the agent of oxygen and heat provided by the spark and voila you have combustion. This molecule separating is not new technology as hydro electrolysis has been around for some 100+ years or more. Just charge a car battery and the electrolysis process gives off hydrogen. That's why the mechanic says: "Don't smoke around a charging car battery!"
Once the water, H2O water molecule, is separated the available components are called HHO. This is not new either. This technology is even currently being used in various ways. The one that demonstrates the separation, combustion and recombination cycle well is the HHO Welder. ( i.e. Aquygen and others.) Yes, the current (amperage) requirements to separate the water molecule has historically been high until more recent developments in electronic circuits. Sister circuits are now available that put a high voltage circuit alongside a storage circuit. This allows a charge to be built up in the secondary storage circuit that is released as a high current pulse while the input circuit current is very low. It is like a hall effect device that does not directly connect to the circuit like current (amperage) probes used in electronic sensing equipment.
Hydrogen burning cars are available, hydrogen cells are available, water splitting technology is available. All that remains is bringing the lower energy water molecule splitting technology into the unbelieving automotive mass market - a market largely committed to a fossel fuel paradigm. To do that, minds, and financial commitments will have to change. And like any new paradigm, the shift takes time. The quartz watch was invented by the world leaders in watch making in the 1960's - the Swiss. But the Swiss thought the idea so foolish that they didn't even patent it. Later, a little known company named Seiko bought the idea and the rest is history. The Quartz watch now dominates the world market where the Swiss watch is in single digits. When the shift happens, everyone thinks it came out of nowhere when in reality, it was right under our noses the whole time."

"How come no one mentioned that you must add baking soda to the water? I heard some of them say that is a must. You fill it with DISTILLED WATER and a little bit of BAKING SODA. The device gets vacuum and electricity (12 Volts) from the engine, and produces HHO gas. I see how that might work but everyone sees it just as water. Who can tell me if this is true and if it will work. You are just adding it to your car for increased milage. So it is not running just off water alone. There has been gas stations in the past that have added water to their gas.Some got busted for that but the cars still ran on it."

"No one is claiming here that the vehicle is running on energy from water. The important point is that they are able to generate hydrogen from water and use it to fuel the vehicle. This is the holy grail of the hydrogen fulled economy we are seeking.
Carrying one kilo of zinc, aluminium or watever is much easier than carrying equivalent amount of hydrogen. The transport and storage of hydrogen is the real problem in the hydrogen economy."

"I cannot believe the amount of insulting comments and name-calling happening here. The New Inquisition of Fundamentalist Materialists is alive and well I see.
Science is about knowledge and creating models of how the Universe *appears* to work. When new models come along that work better, the old ones need to be discarded. Certainly, the new models need to be tested thoroughly, but shouting them down is not testing.
Engineers take Science and produce sellable products. This is where the profit motive takes over and pollutes real science. I am thinking now of Ayn Rand's "Anthem," where a committee shoots down the invention of candles because of the threat to torch makers.
I also saw "TANSTAAFL" here. The first time I encountered that term was in a Robert Heinlein short story, which then brings to mind another of his short stories titled "Breakages, Ltd" where an inventor develops a high efficiency solar panel and faces harassment by companies to whom his invention is an economic threat. To dismiss "conspiracy theories" out of hand seems to me to be the social science equivalent of denying the Law of Gravity. Of course conspiracies happen. Everywhere! Most of them are harmless, but... it's simply human nature, and our history books are full them, both good and bad.
What would happen to the stock markets and the world economy if something like "zero point energy" turned out to be real? What would happen to the diamond market if we found a 50 kiloton diamond in the asteroid belt? "Free Market Economics" requires the scarcities of a closed system to work. Who is ready to let go of the current economic model for something truly new?
Remember, if your head is in the sand, what is exposed?"

"I can "burn water" with a device that costs less than $20 from parts bought at Home Depot and Stop & Shop, and you can as well. I don't understand why people don't believe this, especially "scientifically" minded people, but whatever. I don't care, I care about learning about chemistry now and I like fire and I'll be really excited if I can get better mileage and lower emissions by burning "water" with gasoline or diesel. Plus it supposedly cleans the carbon deposits out of the combustion chamber. The electrical input is about 10 amps at 12 volts, like having the headlights turned on. It's not perpetual motion, it's simply gas created by simple electrolysis. If you don't believe it, try it, don't debunk it without trying it first. I'm trying to debunk it but haven't so far and I'll try further. If debunked, I'll let you know. If I get better mileage I'll let you know, but I do know that my knowledge of chemistry is expanding. I didn't expect this kind of neg reaction from a blog"

"I have loved reading the arguments for and against water powered cars. I guess there were similar arguments with powered flight,submarines, scuba gear. Not all things are as they appear even if science says so Lets just hope it (water power) happens one day. Who would have thought spliting atoms would ceate so much energy? Obviously someone"

"Is it really a scam? if you don't satisfy you can asked for refund..no more pain"

"...and somebody sez that the water cars are unreal and scams... yeah. thats what they said about the plane X no. of years ago and hey look!! whats that thing in the sky? superman? no it's wonder woman! no It's the green lantern!! NO IT'S AN AIRPLANE!!!
It's very real all right. It ain't a scam. If scientists can stop a ray of light in a lab, If they can recreate the earths original atmosphere b4 life, then they sure as hell can invent a water car. Like all new tech it's just having a little difficulty starting up. once they perfect the process of splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen, you'll be one of the first running to the showrooms to book it..."

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So it seems that the arguments centered on whether the energy produced by the engine is sufficient to generate the electricity to charge the battery which will then be used to split water into hydrogen and oxygen gas.

Citing the laws of thermodynamics and whatnots, the "scientists" seemed to have forgotten that improvement in efficiencies really makes a difference! Internal combustion engines have been notoriously inefficient.

Over 62.4% of the fuel's energy is lost through the engine combustion process of converting the fuel's chemical energy to mechanical energy. Advanced engine technologies have been developed to address these losses.

Efficiencies of engines have been improved by new methods like improvement on the variable valve timing and lift, turbocharging, direct fuel injection, and cylinder deactivation, use of fuel catalyst to accelerate a chemical reaction and so on.

When an engine is able to burn fuel more easily as in the case of the hydrogen and oxygen mixture in the intake of an engine, the combustion efficiency is increased. Increase in efficiency means that in burning the same amount of fuel, you will get more work done, i.e. moving your car further than before.

Picture in your mind the function of the carbueretor for a gasoline engine. This piece of equipment has to be tuned so that the mixture of gasoline and air is neither too lean nor too rich. If it is too rich, you will have incomplete combustion, and some of the gasoline will be unburnt and lost through the exhaust pipe.

Now, look at the hydrogen-oxygen mixture. It's in the correct proportions to burn to form water. Isn't this the best "tuning" we can get?

In fact, this technology of injecting gaseous fuel like natural gas into the intake of the engine has been used in biogas fuel driven engines to improve efficiency. So the engine runs on both diesel and natural gas at the same time.

Looking at the whole picture, the splitting of the water into hydrogen and oxygen is done by the battery. So, it is the battery that does the work, not the engine. As far as the engine is concerned, it still runs the generator to charge the battery at the same rate as before, except that now it is burning some HHO mixture and therefore uses less gasoline.

Now, if the splitting of the water into hydrogen and oxygen takes up too much current from the battery than it can be charged by the engine-driven generator the battery will become flat over time.

To compensate for that, just like an electric car, the extra charge may have to be obtained from the household electrical supply. The batteries will have to be charged overnight. It is cheaper to charge a battery from the house than from the engine of your car because the fuel is different. Power Utility stations burn a very low quality and cheaper fuel to generate electricity.

So, in the long run, you still save money using HHO gas in the car.

 

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